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		<title>Why can a cable not be modelled</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorien Elleboog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 12:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In order to understand why it is not possible to model a cable in Diamonds, you should know the difference between a cable and a beam. Well, we&#8217;ve added a small example to illustrate the difference. A wet sweater (5kg&#160;≅ 0,05kN) is hanging on a steel string which spans 5m.&#160;What...]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to understand why it is not possible to model a cable in Diamonds, you should know the difference between a cable and a beam. Well, we&#8217;ve added a small example to illustrate the difference.</p>
<p>A wet sweater (5kg&nbsp;≅ 0,05kN) is hanging on a steel string which spans 5m.&nbsp;What would happen if we&#8217;d consider the the string as a beam and as a cable?<img decoding="async" loading="lazy" class="aligncenter wp-image-5854" src="https://buildsoftsupport.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FiguurKabel3-805x1024.png" alt="" width="400" height="509" srcset="https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FiguurKabel3-805x1024.png 805w, https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FiguurKabel3-236x300.png 236w, https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FiguurKabel3-768x978.png 768w, https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FiguurKabel3-39x50.png 39w, https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FiguurKabel3-47x60.png 47w, https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FiguurKabel3-27x35.png 27w, https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/FiguurKabel3.png 1217w" sizes="(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px" /></p>
<p>If we would consider the string as a pinned beam, the bending moment would be</p>
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<p>That seems small. But the string is only 5 mm in diameter (section modulus <em>W</em>&nbsp;= 12,27 mm³). This means that in order to carry the weight of the sweater, the string should withstand the stress <img decoding="async" loading="lazy" src="https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/ql-cache/quicklatex.com-eaaf379fee5e67946f3fedf5631047b1_l3.png" class="ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format" alt="&#92;&#115;&#105;&#103;&#109;&#97;" title="Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com" height="8" width="11" style="vertical-align: 0px;"/> of</p>
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<p>Only 20&nbsp;times more than S235 steel&#8230; We wonder were that gigantic strength is hidden. And yet it works…</p>
<p><strong>The above example is a typical linear approach</strong>&nbsp;to a problem. Perhaps you noticed that we avoided the topic &#8216;deflection&#8217;. In the beam-approach the deflection <img decoding="async" loading="lazy" src="https://support.buildsoft.eu/wp-content/ql-cache/quicklatex.com-2efdda5160c474b96fc6cbe01fa602a8_l3.png" class="ql-img-inline-formula quicklatex-auto-format" alt="&#92;&#100;&#101;&#108;&#116;&#97;" title="Rendered by QuickLaTeX.com" height="13" width="8" style="vertical-align: 0px;"/> would be</p>
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<p>Think how much&nbsp;the&nbsp;string would have to elongate to deform that much (5m string deflecting 20m?!?). This question brings us closer to understanding <strong>nonlinear geometry</strong>… where large deformations theory is being used.</p>
<p>The string cannot elongate 20m as linear approach suggests, but it will elongate some for sure. This elongation will cause a tensile force in the string. In turn, this tensile forse will stabilize the structure, reducing the deflections. Using literature, we can approach the tensile force and resulting stresses, deformations:</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">It is more to believe the string will deform 57mm under a tensile stress of 55,4 N/mm², instead&nbsp;20m under a stress of 5093&nbsp;N/mm².</p>
<h2>Conclusion</h2>
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<li>A cable does not behave like a beam.</li>
<li>Cables cannot be modelled in Diamonds. Not with a beam, nor with a tie rod.<br />
There is no element in Diamonds supporting the tensile forces needed&nbsp;to describe the cable-behaviour. Diamonds is not suitable for large deformation theory.</li>
<li>Even though tensile forces arise in tie rods, you cannot load tie rods perpendicular to their axis in Diamonds. Diamonds will simply refuse to calculate the model.</li>
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<p>(Source cable formula&#8217;s: Roark&#8217;s Formulas for Stress and Strain, ISBN 0-07-072542-X)</p>
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